Curse

Angelic Upstart · Jun 14, 2006, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Having been using my 55 for a while now and have completed my apprenticeship, ( so to speak) in the troll cave dunes of despair, and hydra farming with it, a guild mate who has a SS Necro and i have started a two man team for FoW, however whilst we are having no trouble dispatching the groups of monk, beast and warriors, we are having a bit of a problem with the groups of eles and mesmers, it seems my spell breaker is being stripped by shatter enchantment, everything will be fine and stable my SB gets to about one third recharge, so i evoke the AE copy, so far so good then when i hit healing breeze to help with spiking i am getting, the breeze is not able to start then i am dead? very odd as sb is up and health and energy are both good, is it something i am doing or should the SS hit the mesmer with shivers to shut him down ? . Any insights would be appreciated.

Vahn Roi · Jun 15, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

I normally take out mesmers first if their are no monks, they pester the hell out of me.

Kick ass band btw.

Yakumo · Jun 15, 2006, 11:48 AM // 11:48

SB should protect you from Shatter Enchantment. For the duration of SB, you shouldn't really need to worry about any spells.

The only thing is, was Protective Spirit up? If yes, then it doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong.

It's possible that you got spiked before you managed to get Breeze up.

Does this only/always happen when you go up against the same group?

Personally, I never found Spinal Shivers to be that useful, much prefer to hit them with Desecrate Enchantments, as the Eles and Mesmers tend to be enchanted. With 2 SBs, that's more than enough time for the SS Necro to take down the group.

Angelic Upstart · Jun 15, 2006, 10:25 PM // 22:25

Kick ass band btw.

Yeah agreed

I seem to get spiked when trying to tank the mesmer, and also when i am approaching the monk , in one case he hit me once with a shot from his wand and took out not only SB but every other enchant that i had prot spirit, mending etc, which i found very odd, but i think it is down to something me and my mate are doing wrong either the timings are out , or maybe wrong application of the SS spells, as i have searched and read up on as much as i could to see if there had been a recent(ish ) update that may have been added to make this harder than it is, but not even Anet could be that callous ..... could they?

Any ways thanks for the input fell.as

Caged Fury · Jun 16, 2006, 10:41 AM // 10:41

With Protective Spirit, Spell Breaker and Healing Breeze up and running you should be safe. No one should pose any threat, especially a wand shot from a monk. Could you have accidently cast PS and SB on someone else? and so the one hit wonder from the monk killed you? It's easily done, it's happened to me afew times. When collecting drops and I cross path with my necro partner, I sometimes accidently click on him and rarely notice. Luckily for me, when I do cast enchantments on him...he screams "Arrrgh! PS...get it off me! get it off me!" so I can undo my mistake.

I have Healing Prayers on 12, switch to a +1 Healing Scalp when casting Mending for the +4 health regen. Then switch back to a +1 Divine scalp.

PS and +4 Mending is enough to tank 3/4 foes (i.e. monks, warriors, shadow beast) without any worries. Any more and it can get abit hairy and using HB helps. SB and HB are definitely needed if there are any Eles and Mesmers in the mob.

I always cast PS and SB (if there is a Mesmer or Ele in the group) prior to aggro-ing. Once aggro-ed, I use Blessed Signet to regain some energy, hit HB and kite round to get them to chase me and lead them to a safe kill spot where no roaming patrol will wander into. At the same time, I try to entice the casters to group into a ball. Once the casters are balled up, I run up to them taking any chasing warriors/shadow beast with me and prepare to cast SV.

Memsers are a pain to ball up with the Monks/Eles. They use Illusion of Haste, when that ends and they're crippled, they tend to wander off and only return once cripple ends.

While having SB on, I re-cast PS and HB whenever I feel like it.

If there is a mesmer in the mob, I wait until SB blinks for the 3rd time and then quickly re-cast PS, HB and SV. If there are melee guys then SV will drain the mesmer's (and monks) energy - less chance of a shatter enchanment. With 18 seconds SB, Blessed Aura and 19% enchantment last longer. SB is recharged before PS runs out, so I can cast SB prior to renewing PS - reducing the chance of PS being shattered on renewal.

SV is good for stopping casting but it's no guarantee that SV will drain enough to stop all casting. If the mesmer did have enough energy then SV will be shattered, and PS and HB will still keep me safe from other attacks. I used to cast PS, SV and then HB as a cover for SV, but if there are Eles in the group and the mesmer does shatter HB then the Eles can burn really good. With spike damage thrown in, HB doesn't always kick in fast enough even if it was recast upon being removed.

Duo-ing FoW is one of the best fun I've had in GW. There's a strange sense of pleasure seeing a barren land without a single Shadow or Skeletal foe in sight.

Angelic Upstart · Jun 16, 2006, 12:20 PM // 12:20

Could you have accidently cast PS and SB on someone else? and so the one hit wonder from the monk killed you?

Possibly but i am positive when i was dropped by the monk with a one shot wand shot i had everything on myself, also when i was tanking the group of eles mesmer etc on the right side of Ratigan i was on my second application of SB and the AE copy, plus HB was up as was PS everything was stable, and i felt comfortable (for a change ) when wham out of the blue i was dead, dont know how or why as nothing was cast ie shatter enchantment and all my skills were not blinking, and i was'nt being spiked to any huge degree, will get back down there tonight and have another crack as i am newish to FoW 55ing as is my mate i am thinking it is our application that awry at the moment.
My skill bar is as follows,
Blessed Sig,
Balths Spirit
Mending
Blessed Aura
Arcane Echo
Spell Breaker
Healing Breeze
Prot Spirit
Div Fav 12+3 +1 Healing 10 +3 Prot Prayers 8 +3 and i am using an axe of enchanting 20%,
I will let you know if this occurs again and will try to identify the problem , should anyone else suffer this.( it may just be an obvious, but overlooked noob error on my part)

Yakumo · Jun 16, 2006, 02:23 PM // 14:23

Hmmm... Could be some sort of glitch...

On odd occassions, I have seen a 55 Monk drop dead for no reason whatsoever. It doesn't happen often enough for me to give much thought into it.

What I've seen happen is that before aggro, the 55 Monk cast the enchantments, I see them go up. The 55 runs in and seconds later, the 55 is having a dirt nap.

The 55 wasn't in the aggro long enough for the enchantments to expire, and has happened when there were no spellcasters about, and in different places... It's odd, the 55 would say all the enchantments just vanished.

Never could explain what happened...

Angelic Upstart · Jun 16, 2006, 05:55 PM // 17:55

Thats exactley what happened to me, although as i have stated i want to make sure that i havent mistakenly cast SB on the Mes / Mo after highlighting them to get a fix on thier position, as that would im sure have a detrimental effect on my lifespan

Levi Garett · Jun 16, 2006, 09:17 PM // 21:17

Sounds like you are getting insta-gibbed spiked. It happens alot with that specific group with the mes/eles/warriors. The ele's do that aoe stuff and with everything else going on you get overwhelmed. Basically regardless of your +10 regen if you get hit at the same time with enough hits you will insta-gib.

This is where SoJ would really help instead of Spell breaker as it will keep your damage spaced out more. Try using SoJ, lower divine, and pump your smiting up. Switch to Mo/W for bonetties for energy management, and just use Healing Breeze for a cover enchant. The mes' strip spell has a 20 sec recharge so after he strips recast PS/HB and use PS as your "20 sec counter". When PS starts blinking refresh PS and then cover with HB again. He should strip within HB's 10 sec duration then rinse and repeat. Honestly with a good SS he shouldn't last much longer than 1-2 strips. The rest of them are gravy...

Otherwise just try to move out of the ele's AoE spell so you don't get overwhelmed.

Angelic Upstart · Jun 17, 2006, 02:15 PM // 14:15

Levi cheers for that , but i have a question when PS/HB is stripped there must be an imminent risk of ele's spike the crap out of me, the answer i guess is to be pdq with the recast, once again thanks for the help people